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Keeping a Jabiru outside

Postby Hurricane » Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:25 am

Hi

I've just joined this forum, so please forgive me if my question has been covered before.

Due to a misunderstanding, i now find that the hangar i have purchased for my jabiru J-160 is not really suitable, and I might well have to move the aircraft to a nearby licenced airfield, and tie it down outside with all the PA28's and Cessna 172's. Has anyone keep a Jabiru tied down outside, and if so, how did it stand up to this treatment. At the moment, I don't have any outdoor covers for the aircraft. No-one appears to list covers for the J-160, so I'll probably have to fly the aircraft to the cover specialist to have them measure the aircraft, and then produce a pattern. Can anyone give any input as to who makes the best covers for the Jabiru.

My wife and I are very disappointed, as the Jabiru is a lovely little aircraft (it was built by Murray Flint and Gary Cotterell, so the build quality is superb), and having done less than 100 hours from new, it is still in 'as new' condition. It seems to sustain a 100 knot cruise without a problem, and its 1,000 mile range is unrivalled in its class. However despite all this, if we can't find a solution to storing it outside, we may have to sell the J-160 and look for an alternative aircraft.

Thanks in anticipation of your help.
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Re: Keeping a Jabiru outside

Postby Garyo » Fri Mar 24, 2017 5:45 pm

There was a a j160 from Ludham that had a full set of outdoor covers for it and they were impressive, I cannot remember who made the covers but it was 1 of the leading suppliers. The aircraft was bought by a forum member steuart spencer or a similar name but deffo stuart, he would of inherited the covers.
He posted about getting a new engine about 18 months ago for his 160 and Gary C fitted it for him, so if you trawl the site you will find hm and be able to get the supplier for the covers
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Re: Keeping a Jabiru outside

Postby Hurricane » Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:58 pm

Hi Gary

Thanks for taking the trouble to reply. i have now ordered a full set of covers from Sky 4 Coves in Devon. They were the only suppliers i spoke to who had a pattern for the J-160, so they may well be the people who supplied the other J-160 owner you mentioned. A full set of covers isn't cheap, but if it keeps the aircraft looking good, I won't complain. Finding hangarage seems to becoming a problem in many areas of Britain.

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Re: Keeping a Jabiru outside

Postby Garyo » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:00 am

Geff
Yes it was sky 4 covers now you have said it, they were very good and a perfect fit i seem to remember, will be worth every penny
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Re: Keeping a Jabiru outside

Postby Hurricane » Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:58 am

Thanks Gary

Thats great news, as I've ordered a set of coves from Sky 4 covers. It's nice to know i've done the right thing for once!
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Re: Keeping a Jabiru outside

Postby diablo » Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:20 pm

I had a set of sky 4 covers for my Jabiru SK made when I first purchased it. I used the top grade a material (acrylic canvas) and they made a sterling set of covers that were second to none. A little more expensive but well worth the extra money for what I considered the best ...

I sold them on and after 10 years of use they still look top.

Strongly recommend sky4 for aircraft covers !
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Re: Keeping a Jabiru outside

Postby Hurricane » Thu May 11, 2017 9:58 am

Hi

Just as a concusion to this thread, I have now taken delivery of a full set of covers for my J160 from Sky4Covers. The covers really are superb - the best I have ever seen. Sky4Covers are located at Dunkeswell, Devon, and were very helpful throughout the buying process. I can recommend them without hesitation.
That's the good news.the bad news is I might not be keeping the J-160. my wife hasn't really taken to it, and would prefer us to fly in something like the PA28 we had before the J160. My wife thought the PA28 was much more stable in the air, and easier to land. She is quite correct on both counts of course! Unfortunately, a PA28 burns about 8 gallons of Avgas an hour.

If anyone is looking for a mint , low hours, J-160, please message me.

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Re: Keeping a Jabiru outside

Postby Steevo » Thu May 11, 2017 11:26 am

It would be good to put it on the classifieds section here. The J160 is a fairly sought after aircraft at the right price.

They do take getting used to. I struggled with mine for a long time and there have been a couple of times when I was going to sell it because I just could not get it as I wanted it and it never really felt as sturdy as the Cessnas and Pipers I learnt in. It is true to a certain extent, but I have found that any composite lightweight aircraft I have been in is pretty much similar with upsides and downsides and characteristics.

It is essentially time and trust. The PA28 will be considerably more to keep and run and will never get in to some of the strips that certain Jabs can get in to. I guess it is either try and get used to it (and it is difficult if you come from the Cessna/Piper background) or stump up a lot more cash to do roughly the same thing.

I must admit that if a Cessna/Piper was on permit, I would snap it up straight away. The only reasons I really stick with the Jab is that I own it outright on my own and know exctly how it is being flown and treated. It doesn't really cost me any more than owning a second car. I can get in to pretty much any strip in the country. It is always available when I want it. I have the oppertunity to modify it to my taste (with some limitations of course).

A friend of mine had a Gruman. It was a very nice aircraft generally. It was a 4 man group. Apart from the fact it used to use 3 times a much fuel as my Jab to fly slower, the last annual it had, was in excess of £8000. A mandatory seatbelt change was £700 (to replace perfectly good seatbelts). Then on top of all of that, the group had an argument and split up losing thousands on the initial purchase price.
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Re: Keeping a Jabiru outside

Postby diablo » Thu May 11, 2017 12:12 pm

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Re: Keeping a Jabiru outside

Postby Hurricane » Thu May 11, 2017 5:27 pm

All good observations Steevo.

Most of my aeroplanes have been vintage taildrragger types. My favourite was a Luscombe that I had for 14 years. To be honest, I don't find the Jabiru that good for short strips. (I think the nosewheel, and the small wheels work against it) the Luscombe was far better. even though it only had a 65hp Continental. The wing was very long, with a thick section, and once it reached a certain speed, it just levetated, without any input from the pilot. I always think tailwheel aircraft are the best for farm strips anyway. Before the Cherokee I had a Bolkow 208c Junior. That was definitely not suitable for farm strips,probably due to it's short, 26 foot wingspan. This was my first GA aircraft (The Luscombe was on a Permit to fly), and I still remember the first annual I had on it. £7,000!!! (and this was for a simple, all metal, 2-seater, that had been fitted with a zero timed engine only 200 hours earlier). Flying a CofA aircraft really hurts your pocket. I'm semi retired now (soon to be completely retired). My wife & I hope to fly to new destinations during our retirement. As you can imagine, flying will consume a great deal of our disposable income when we are living off our pensions, so I have to consider my wife's opinion in our choice of aircraft. She really liked the PA28 cherokee we had, although the quality of the materials used for the interior trim is probably worse than a 1970's Skoda! I don't have a lot of experience with Cessna's, but I've been told that they aren't much better. If you want quality in an American aircraft,it has to be a Beechcraft, but they are expensive. However, we did meet a pilot who was operating an 'N' registered Beechcraft in the UK,and the operating costs seem quite reasonable on the 'N' reg system. The main thing is to keep flying (whatever you fly in).
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